Grocery Geek: Sometimes You Feel Like a Nut

grocerygeek-gceWell, maybe you don’t. But, I do. I realize that I am in many ways a woman without a country. I don’t fit perfectly into any one social, political, religious, financial, or educational package. I am an eclectic mix of lots of thoughts and habits.

One friend dubbed me a freak of nature.

And you know what? I’m okay with that. (And she said it in a nice way.)

The funny thing is when I have to tell you about my latest hair-brained scheme. I know that half of you might cheer and half of you will shake your heads and think, “What a nut!”

This would be one of those times.

I’m totally laughing inside as I type this, too, so know if you fall in the latter category of readers, I understand.

Yes, yes, I do.

And yes, I will get to the grocery shopping portion of the program soon. Bear with me.

As you may know, I’ve been feeling chronic pain in my hip and leg muscles for about nine months now. I’ve talked to my doctor about it twice and twice he’s said “it’s inflammation” and prescribed drugs. I am in the process of getting a second opinion as well as researching a good chiropractor. As you know health care is complicated in this country.

We are not going to broach that topic here. I have very “woman-without-a-country” views on that topic. I pine for the country doctor who makes house calls and accepts payment in chickens or at least freezer meals. See? Freak of nature.

healthy fats avocado coconut

So, while I wait for the stars to align and I find a good doctor or at least an office where I don’t sit on hold for twenty minutes before someone picks up the phone, I’m doing a little science experiment on myself.

Many people, including some of you, have suggested that what I eat may be the cause of some of my aches and pains. So, I’m going to go on an elimination diet for the next 30 days. I’m going to abstain from eating a number of foods that might be causing problems in my systems. I’ve done some research, talked to some friends, and gone grocery shopping to support a gluten-free, grain-free, soy-free, sugar-free, alcohol-free, dairy-free diet for the next thirty days.

Yes, really.

I know. My husband calls it the flavor-free diet. See? Sometimes you feel like a nut.

At the end of thirty days, I hope to feel much better and then can reintroduce those items to see if one of those was a trigger to feeling horrible. Think about how you introduced your baby to solid foods. Only in reverse sort of.

This diet has been described as “a short-term nutritional reset, designed to help you restore a healthy metabolism, heal your digestive tract, calm systemic inflammation and put an end to unhealthy cravings, habits, and relationships with food.” It’s called a Whole 30. I imagine there are a lot of misconceptions about it, based on the bits and pieces folks read about it on blogs. I know when I first heard about it, I thought folks were pretty nutty about it.

But, two friends have tried it and had great success, so it intrigued me. I went ahead and bought a book about it, It Starts with Food on Kindle and feel like I have a handle on the why’s and wherefore’s. I think.

Anyway, I started the eating plan on Friday. It guided how I grocery shopped this week. And how I’ve planned next week’s meals. This could get interesting. If you’d like to follow the craziness journey, I’ll be posting a food log fairly haphazardly over here. You can also reassure yourselves that I won’t be starving myself.

I’m a little nervous since I am the bread and cheese, eat-a-whole-bowl-of-artichoke-dip kind of girl. But, I think food is good medicine. And it can’t hurt me to eat a gentler diet for a season and see if that cures what ails me.

In the meantime, here’s the grocery geek report, now that I’ve explained why I spent more than I thought I would a week ago.

Wake up! The trailers are over now….

Sprouts

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I think it was Sunday that I made a run for Sprouts. I wasn’t yet percolating this diet idea but was just stocking up on fruits and veg and cheese to be fancy. I’ve been trying to get us eating more and juicing more fruits and vegetables and there were some good sales.

I bought the following: mangoes, cilantro, jalapenos, kiwi, limes, pears, apples, tomatoes (that I just noticed was overcharged on – ouch!), chard, celery, mushrooms, and onions. All this was mostly organic produce, and then there was the vast selections of cheeses.

I paid $47

Trader Joe’s

trader joe's

Hubby and I went to Trader Joe’s after dinner on date night. I’d decided I was going to take the plunge on this science experiment. Since part of my new eating regime means foods without additives, I knew I could score those pretty easily at TJ’s.

Since I’ll be eating grain-free and dairy-free, the cereal, bread, and taco shells are clearly for the fam as is the milk. Foods that are mainly for me are the fish, nuts, beans, berries, greens, olives, coconut milk. We’ll all enjoy the other things.

I spent $120 at Trader Joe’s. 

Abundant Harvest Organics

abundant harvest organics

I probably wouldn’t be attempting this adventure if it wasn’t for our subscription to Abundant Harvest Organics. I’ve learned so much about the world of veg in the last 18 months.

This week’s box contained daikon radish, carrots, potatoes, dried mint, napa cabbage, parsnips, oranges, parsnips, beets, broccoli di cicco, kale, lettuce, and mache.

I paid $36 for the box.

Sprouts, again

sprouts 2

I went back to Sprouts on Wednesday’s double ad day to make sure that I had everything to hold me over for the next week: chicken on sale for $1.99/pound, avocados, sweet potatoes, bananas, garlic, onions, parsley, mushrooms, and squash. I also added a few newcomers to the pantry: coconut chips, coconut butter, coconut water, and Larabars.

Sometimes you feel like a nut….

Oats were on sale so I made sure we had enough for the fam.

Total spent at Sprouts: $62.

This week I spent more than I planned to as of last week at this time. But, a lot’s changed since then, too. Here’s hoping the investment is worth it.

Total spent this week: $265

Total spent this month: $654

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  1. Good luck with the elimination diet! I hope it helps. Sometimes, its important to take your own health into your own hand and try something that just makes sense for you. I wish you the best with it.

  2. Good luck! I’ll be interested in reading about your results.

  3. I’ve recently cut sodas out of my diet. I am also focusing on eating “clean” foods. I am, after a short time, already feeling healthier. I’m not having pain and swelling in my arms and hands. I’m sleeping better and having more energy when I’m awake. Also, I’m not feeling nearly as moody or cranky as I had been. So I say you go with your new eating plan. It is worth being a “nut”. :D

    • @Rachel W., We have been doing that at my house as well! Well, hubby and daughter did not drink soda…but I was quite the addict! Clean foods and eliminating soda has made a HUGE difference in my life. No longer need antidepressants or anxiety meds either, which is a financial and emotional MIRACLE! I hope all continues to go well for you as well, Rachel…and for you too, Jessica!

  4. Welcome to the “nut” club! I’m cheering for you and laughing with you at the same time! I’ve been trying to feed my family in a similar fashion, but have never made a commitment for a whole 30 days. My husband has made similar comments as yours. :) Here’s a link to some wonderful ice cream that I think should fit the bill for you that all of my family liked and wanted me to make again. I was glad that I could give them “dessert” that would support their immune system during cold and flu season instead of tearing it down!
    http://feedingpickle.blogspot.com/2012/06/pineapple-ice-cream-naturally-without.html

    I hope that this heals you!

    BTW, thank you for the vanilla giveaway that I won. I’ve enjoyed using the vanilla in all sorts of different recipes!

  5. I am so excited for you! My husband and I tried a Whole30 challenge at the beginning of the year on a challenge from friends that were trying to lose a few pounds. I was stunned when I realized that my life long allergies, headaches and heart palpitations disappeared! I feel like a goofy walking commercial. I recommend the book Well Fed. She is all about flavor. Our whole family did it although my 11 year old decided that instead of a whole 30, she was allowed to take up paleo baking! It was defnitely not flavorless.

    Anyway, the only downside was that I’ve been missing my favorite food blogs because a lot of the recipes just aren’t compatible. So really, I’m excited for me that you are taking on a Whole 30!

  6. It’s like you are giving up six things for Lent! Good luck to you, Jessica, and good for you for taking charge of your health. Eating more fruits and veg, plus giving up processed food will absolutely be good for you, no doubt. I hope you share your meals with us.

  7. Wow! I read your meal plan for day 1, and I’m impressed. It looks like a lot of very high quality, REAL food. I’m curious about the no-flavor thing, though – what spices/herbs are you using? Or is it enough flavor with “just” the food itself?
    (Today I’m trying out a new recipe. I don’t like cooking. My husband is working, so I have to. That’s love, too. :-) )

    • @Molly, he’s teasing about the no flavor thing. He just thinks that’s a lot of things to take out. He’s a skeptic.

      You can use the full range of spices and herbs, provided that any packaged ones don’t have msg or other icky additives. It’s been a great two days of eating, though it does take concentration to plan and orchestrate.

  8. Congrats on your commitment to a Whole 30. Hubby and I did one in October, and suddenly the pain I’d experienced in a sprained wrist for a year and a half disappeared. It’s changed the way we eat and look at food completely. The first 7-10 days are the hardest. But you have an advantage with all of your experience planning menus, etc. I recommend having a big pot of Whole 30-approved stew or soup at the ready in case you are having a moment of desperation. Good luck!

  9. I think you will find it to be a worthwhile experiment. There is no better investment than for the good health of you and your family.

    I hope this diet works for you! I am currently on the Paleo Auto Immune diet to heal a leaky gut. While I sometimes long for the foods I can’t have, I know that I am healing myself and that in the future I will be able to eat more variety.

    Food really is medicine.

  10. Good luck with your experiment. It could be really difficult with a house full of folks eating as they usually do or it could be much easier because you have a house full of folks cheering you on. Here’s hoping for the latter.
    Your new diet sounds like The Virgin Diet (developed by someone whose last name is Virgin). I’ve seen the author making the rounds on morning talk shows

  11. I’m on an elimination diet as well. But I also know my allergies (I was tested as a teenager) and I know how they affect me. I’m going into my 3rd week of GF and SF, 2nd week of beef free, and starting on Monday I’ll also be white meat free. I am not grain free though, we do oats, corn, rice and rye for our grains. I try my best to be soy free (family member with that allergy so I know it could be a trigger in ds).

    off to eat my GF and SF oatmeal raisin cookies. I did cave once b/c I forgot that McD fries are full of sugar.

  12. I totally understand how foods can cause inflammation BUT I highly suggest you go to a chiropractor. I would bet that you have possible twisted your pelvis. My kids and I are famous for doing that and then I end up with pain in my hip and down my legs.

    • @Trudy, I will. I think I’ll need to figure out how to pay for it, first. I don’t want to start it and then find it’s too expensive. Going to call insurance on Monday.

      • @Jessica, Totally understand on the figuring out how to pay for it. Found out this week that I have two tears in my rotator cuff and tendon issues from them being inflamed for so long. Sigh. But it will wait till have son has surgery to remove pocket of fluid that is by his heart. I am thankful for good insurance. I have found that arnica Montana also works really well. You can get it at sprout.

  13. Im cheering you on & I hope that you do find a good chiropractor. I’ve had some that werent worth a plug nickle, though very nice, and I’ve had some that were able to do amazing things with my body. If you cant find one of the latter, maybe looking for a D.O. (doctor of osteopathy) would be better than a bad chiropractor.
    They are the same as an M.D. except D.O. schools provide an additional 300 – 500 hours in the study of hands-on manual medicine and the body’s musculoskeletal system, which is referred to as osteopathic manipulative medicine. (wikipedia) My D.O. is world renoun and one of the most wonderful human beings I’ve had the privilege to know.

    I hope the elimination diet helps you as well. It tough leaving out whole food groups.. especially if you want to eat them. I dont mind leaving out the milks, cheeses, yogurts, ice cream stuff cuz it makes me pretty nauseous most of the time.. and most of the time I dont mind not eating wheat.. but every once in a while I cave into eating that carnival food or that donut or something similar and I always pay for it. I may not see it that very day (though sometimes I do) but I almost always feel it the next day or the day after that.. and for me, the pain is pretty severe.
    I havent noticed that rice or oats cause me problems, but those are the only two grains I eat. I dont eat corn and only rarely do I use any grain or seed flours but again, I’ve only noticed problems with wheat.

    In my head, I believe we should be eating a Paleo type diet.. I personally have little problem with it but M’honey on the other hand would die, so we kind of meet in the middle. I make things for him that he likes and I just dont eat it.

    Good luck!! Wishing you wonderful results no matter what they are. ;)

  14. I had some joint pain, and I was told to cut out nightshades(tomato, peppers, etc.). I think it would be smart to look into the research done on this, since your diet has a lot of these foods.

    • @Gabby, I don’t have pain in my joints, more in my muscles. But, I’ve considered the nightshades. I’m not currently eating potatoes, but certainly leaning on tomatoes, peppers, and onions. My plan is if I don’t feel complete relief by week 3, I’ll cut those things out as well and see if that works.

  15. Sometimes it’s hard to find Larabars that are reasonably priced. I’ve found some at Kroger marked down to $0.50 each. You can do a google search for Paleo Power bars and can make your own. I had Kitchen Stewardship’s “Healthy Snacks to Go” ebook (http://www.kitchenstewardship.com/2010/04/26/healthy-snacks-to-go-ebook-now-on-sale/). She has about 15 variations of the Larabar. Some of the recipes (online and in the ebook) have to be modified to take out the honey or maple syrup, but I’ve found that the date/raisin combo provides plenty of sweetness. Personally, I like the homemade bars better.

    • @Kristy, I’m lucky if I can find Larabars for $1. My husband and I both keep them in our cars. I am delighted by the very short list of recognizeable ingredients. Our favorites are Cashew Cookie and Lemon. Some I do not care for at all, so have had to experiment with flavors to find ones I like.

    • @Kristy, yes, I love Katie’s book, but I am not sure I love Larabars. I only ate one once and thought it was nasty. I’m not a big fan of raisins or dates. So, we’ll see.

  16. I have more I want to say to encourage you but for now, I was going to suggest the coconut cream pie larabars if you like coconut. Those are my favorite.

  17. Jessica check out the Dr. Oz show. They did an interesting show yesterday about infkamatory ailments. http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/melt-method-naturally-end-your-pain

  18. Welcome to the club from a charter member! I’ve always been known to march to the beat of my own drum. My friends “get” me (or tolerate me, lol). My family? Eh, not so much (except for my hubs and kids…they have to get me!). But that’s ok cause they can’t change me :) I changed the way I eat about 16 months ago (no grains or dairy except on Saturdays). I have found the closer the food is to the original source, the better (no prepackaged or foods with perservatives). I have fallen off the wagon since the holidays and feel really yucky. I need to get myself back on track. Other than my yearly physical, I’ve been to the doctor just once in the last 18 months. My doctor was impressed and happy with my outstanding health and 40 lb. weight loss. Typing this out makes me realize I need to: Get. With. The. Program. Thanks for waking me up.

  19. I agree about the chiropractor and the Kitchen Stewardship homemade Larabars. I had chronic back pain for over ten years. Mainstream medicine wanted me on arthritis meds. About three chiro sessions and some Omega 3 supplements took me from barely moving to functional.

  20. Amanda Yoder says:

    I hope this diet is helpful for you! With all the Americans suffering from pain/inflammation, I hope others learn to change their eating habits to help their bodies! I recently learned I had to go gluten free (which has not been nearly as rough as I thought and aside from clearing up digestive issues, it did wonders for my sinus troubles too!) and since that took care of most of my digestive issues, I was also able to identify that I’m lactose-sensitive—thankfully this means I can still have cheese in most forms and yogurt since its cultured, and I can even cook with butter, but I do find milk or cream is more than I can handle. As for grains, I still use rice because honestly we’re on a budget and I find a starch/grain necessary to stretch the food budget and organic brown or wild rice seems to be the least of the “evils” of grains, aside from Quinoa which I am working in more and more often as well. Personally, I believe sugar is an important part of our lives–it’s been in our diets too long just like salt to believe it should be eliminated, but I do believe it should truly only be in form of honey, maple syrup, and occasionally raw sugar cane. I’m working on drastically reducing my intake of soy (in the sneaky things–soybean oil in my favorite pasta sauces, soy lecithin in a binder of lots of things, etc.), although I don’t plan to completely eliminate it unless I have to. I would say ensuring plenty of vitamin D (lucky you in California that’s probably easier than for most of us) and fish oil is important too.

    • @Amanda Yoder, there is so much to consider, isn’t there? I’m sure we can talk for hours. My feeling on the sugar thing is that it is really hard to avoid, like soy. I bought nitrate-free, msg-free sausage at our health food store. Called later to double check the ingredients, the first thing is sugar. It’s really hard to get away from.

  21. Good Luck Jessica, I suffered for about 10 years with painful knees and waking up with a stomach ache every day. I went to the doctors over and over but no one ever tested me for anything. Almost a year ago my sister convinced me to try the Primal Blueprint diet which is grain free and sugar free (with the exception of dark chocolate), Its like Paleo with dairy. I eat alot of high quality meat, lots of vegis, fruit nuts,seeds, dairy and avoid processed foods. Within about 2 weeks my knee pain went away and my stomach aches did too. I also found many other issues disappeared Things I never would have linked to grains, like itchy scalp,tiredness, and bad nights sleep . I have had four stomach issues since then after ingesting gluten accidentally. I suffer for about 4 days and then feel better. 16 days vs 365 days of stomach pain has made me a believer and I will not go back. I hope you find what ails you and make a quick recovery. Keep us all posted! PS both my kids eat the same way. They were begging for cauliflower crust pizza today, something I never thought would happen.

  22. Because of your age, I am wondering if it is a hormonal cause to your aches and pains. Magnesium and Evening Primrose Oil have done wonders for my stiffness and achiness. I did not realize how much pain I was in until I started taking these supplements. FYI–I am just shy of 46. As an aside, I did not take these supplements for pain.

    Green for Life is an excellent book and basically states that most health problems are a result of little to no green, leafy vegetables in our diet. The author further states that we do not properly chew our food and recommends a VitaMix or equivalent to puree the greens for better absorption. Your library may have this book. The author’s point of view is extremely interesting.

    Good luck and I hope you find a cause soon :)

    I have the kindle version of your book and could not resist buying a hard copy today :)

    • @Christine, aw, sweet. Thanks for your support!

      Yes, I’ve wondered if hormones were at play, too. I figure this is something I can easily do on my own while I hunt down a good doctor.

  23. Good Luck! I recently decided to go dairy free, I had bronchitis, whooping cough and a sinus infection all at once, and the doc said STAY AWAY FROM MILK! Now, I am a coffee person and my coffee needs something to go in it, so I bought vanilla soy milk to try out. Within a few days I noticed so much difference. I had a milkshake last night when I took my 6 y.o. son to Chick-Fil-A, and right away my coughing flared up and my tummy felt weird. I’m in the process of changing over a lot of foods that my family eats, just today I told my husband if I cannot pronounce what is listed on the ingredient list, it DOES NOT go into the shopping cart!

  24. I’ve been on a no dairy, no gluten, (mostly) no sugar diet since this past summer (on the advice of my chiropractor), and it has helped me tremendously. And I was a bread and cheese girl, too. :) I still miss the bread sometimes, but after a couple of weeks my craving for dairy completely disappeared- I was shocked. Hang in there- the first couple of weeks can be tough, but once you get through those, it gets much easier.

  25. I hope that the new diet works out for you! I have a friend doing the Whole30, and she has been very happy with the results. The scientist in me just can’t accept these zero carb diets. Ok, it’s probably also the saltine lover in me as well. But I know that cells need glucose to do their thing, so sugar can’t always be the enemy. I’m not so convinced about this whole caveman logic a lot of these diets have. After all, cavemen didn’t have to worry about heart disease, and I worry about the saturated fat in the coconut oil and red meat that my friend eats. I can’t get too preachy about that as long as my ideal Sunday breakfast is toast with butter and homemade marmalade. All that sugar is way more than the caveman would eat too, and probably equally bad for me. Right now, I’m considering trying the TQI, which is an anti-inflammation diet where carbs are allowed, just in small numbers and whole grains preferred. Sadly, there is not a lot of free info on the web, it’s mostly links to sign up for classes. But I liked what I read in this article, so I might give it a go…
    http://goodfoodeffect.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/to-quiet-inflammation/

    • @Erin, I had some of the same concerns. I don’t buy the caveman theory and the book I read on the diet wasn’t big on that.

      As for the carbs, my understanding is that sweet potatoes and other starchy veg are going to provide quite a bit.

      • @Jessica, For sure you’ll get enough carbs to avoid a swoon in the sweet potato and other foods. I guess I just have a hard time believing that one crouton could push a body into a tailspin. Now, if there’s an allergy, that’s a different story. One thing that I have seen with my friends who have done these diets is that when they go back on the carbs, they have a response like a vegetarian who eats meat- lots of tummy upset. I guess some of the enzymes have been down-regulated, because their body just can’t handle the starches any more. So if/when you do re-introduce breads to see if you can handle them, take it easy! And enjoy the yummy foods on this diet. My friend has brought some salads to work that made me want to steal her lunch out of the fridge!

        • @Erin, I get you. I’m hoping that this won’t be a longterm thing. That maybe I”ll be able to figure out that there’s a certain food that doesn’t agree with me, cut that out and then be fine. Here’s hoping.

          (And yes, the program recommends a very slow re-entry of each food over a course of two weeks, so I think it will be fine.

  26. I would never ever ever discourage healthy, clean eating or lots of safe activity, but consider other environmental factors. My husband had shoulder pain and attributed it to an injury related to his crazy outdoor adventures climbing mountains and such. Then, one day, I decided to replace our pillows and mattress pad on a whim. Within a week, his pain disappeared. He just needed more support when he slept. I never would have guessed, his doctor certainly didn’t. Just a thought.

    • @Allison, I totally get that. Sometimes it really can be something simple. This has gone on since May. We’ve bought me several new chairs, changed the mattress pad, etc. But, I will keep that in mind!

  27. After the birth of my second son,I had horrible muscle pain and G I problems. i tried for over a year to find the cause until I stumbled upon the Specific Carbohydrate Diet. I thought what do I have to lose and gave it a try. After three days on the plan, I started to have some relief and within one month,I felt better and looked better than I had in years. It has changed my life. I basically reset my body and become so healthy, that i ended up prego with DS #3! Now, I basically try to avoid gluten and anything artificial. Good luck!

  28. I have been debating the Whole 30 idea for a while now. If you can do it and fit it into your busy life then I have no excuses. Thanks for being brave enough to share your thoughts as it was very encouring for me to read. I think I’m finally going to take the plundge and try it for 30 days! Good luck!

  29. Good for you Jessica … I mentioned it to you awhile ago (oh, 6 months ago??) so glad to see you are giving it a try … I know for myself eliminating the grains REALLY helped the major joint pains I dealt with in both hands … it’s just really hard to stay on track when feeding the rest of the family. I need to get refocused on that way of eating again as I’ve fallen far off the wagon through the past 3 months (darn holidays!) … and remind Hubyb AGAIN … he seems to mistake NO grains for WHOLE grains … he tries, he really does, but seems to think that brown rice will be ok for me … good luck and I’m excited to read your progress and foods that you choose to eat :)

  30. I wish you the best! Eliminating food isn’t too terribly hard and there’s still plenty to eat! I followed the Virgin Diet – eliminating the top 7 high-inflammatory foods – for 21 days and am in the re-introduction phase. I will admit it did absolutely nothing for me. LOL – sigh… But! I still believe wholeheartedly that food intolerances are very real and can have an impact on our bodies in many different ways. I pray you find what’s triggering the impact on yours!

    • @Carolyn, thank you! Did you pull out nightshades as well?

      • @Jessica, Not on purpose. Well, I did avoid white potatoes but I used peppers in my salad – and I’ve eaten LOTS of salads! I live in Ohio so tomatoes are not something I’d be eating now anyway, and what else? oh, I don’t know the last time I’ve had an eggplant. Are those all the nightshades?
        I tried this for really, no other reason than my weight. There are 15-20 lbs hanging around that don’t belong and refuse to leave no matter what I do. Other than the weight, I really have no other symptoms of anything. I finally went to a homeopathic doctor who ordered a battery of tests – they all came back normal. I have one more to do – a hair analysis to check for minerals, adrenals, digestion, absorption…I think that was it.
        I just think this is a smart way for you to go. I know my daughter, after she’d been tested for allergies, went on a gf diet for a short time and it cleared up her scalp psoriasis. She took supplements, too, to help with ther digestive system. This is just one reason why I believe in how food affects us and how you are probably on the right track. And if you can do it w/o the expense of a doctor – even better!

  31. Jessica:

    Of course I am sorry you have been in pain, but I’m excited to see what you come up with! Two out of three of my kids were recently diagnosed with celiac, and I love your recipes – use your book all the time. So I was a little bummed about the recipes I could no longer use in it.

    Best of luck and I look forward to the creative results.

  32. I hope your diet helps your pain. I am 4 months post op from hip surgery #2. Check out http://www.hipfai.com. I have been fighting chronic hip pain for two years and stumbled upon the right combo of physical therapists and orthopaedic surgeons. Getting my hips repaired changed the trajectory of my life.

  33. I love seeing all the fresh produce. Organic is great to find, nor all stores carry a good selection. I am curious how you keep your produce fresh. We live in the buffalo area of ny. & its cold enough for some to stay fresh enough out side the fridge. Good luck with your new way of eating.

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